I really just want to say, now that I’ve had a sleep and my head’s in place.

The thing that stuck out most to me in the conversation last night was that someone’s actual real art was used by someone else as an example of what was “less deserving” of protection, without the artist’s consent. I saw no apology for the wording of the post and I think it was really inappropriate to use someone’s actual work as an example.

Every time this got brought up people acted like it was others being upset by the **vague concept** of some art is better than others; but it wasn’t a concept of it, someone was non-consentually **singled out** as an example of “worse” artist out of two and when they expressed their discomfort and upset they were ignored/glossed over and it was not shown to be addressed.

It’s VERY important to me that the wording of the post wasn’t “the algorithm will have a worse time with this one” and that it was “this one is *less deserving of protection*”. And it was very frustrating that the insulting wording went ignored by people in the server and that I saw no correction or apology about the use of a real user’s work.

Users should **not** be allowed to single out other users and their art, especially not publicly in front of the entire server and I think it’s *absolutely reasonable* that some people want to leave after seeing a user singled out as a “bad example” be left unaddressed. It was an uncomfortable thing to witness it go ignored when, on other art sites like deviantart, singling out another artist’s work as a bad example is often considered a form of harassment by staff.

A lot of heat from yesterday, at least after I came in, was sparked by the insulting comment and it progressed when people ignored the fact the comment had been insulting.

A LOT of people were trying to say “I’m upset that this users art was used as an example of art that the poster considered bad” but people then replied with talk about the algorithm not being able to pick it up, when the algorithm was **not** the issue with the comment; the direct and real insult to the quality of another user’s work was the issue.

If the comment had been “this sort of art is hard for the algorithm to pick up” I would have no issue. But the original comment was actively implying that an artist’s drawing was worse than another artist’s. It is one thing to talk about some art pieces being good or bad, it is *another thing entirely* to single out a user as an example.

THAT is what a lot of people are upset about and it is making me EXTREMELY uncomfortable that it is has not been addressed, especially now that statements are being made about other things. Where is the acknowledgement of the harm that was done to this artist? Not even just acknowledgement by Thell, but acknowledgement by the overall community? I care about all of you. And I care about the artist who was singled out. And I’m very upset that this is what the community decided was okay to do to someone.

I have supported the site with money before. I was a kickstarter backer, an on-off patron, and I have put actual real effort into advertising the website and had multiple people join on my recommendation, even before things such as the invite system were implemented. And now I feel genuinely **embarrassed** and upset that I put my name and money out there for a community that allowed the public calling out and insult of someone who **literally did nothing wrong** with no obvious statement against it or repercussions for the hurt that was caused.

I’m very upset that the community drowned out the fact that a real actual person, a member of the community, was so obviously hurt by their work being used in the server without their consent. It was far from appropriate and it's left an extremely bad taste in my mouth.

I do not want to be part of a community that thinks it is appropriate to treat its members this way.


cjadewyton -

Every business class I've been to has talked about how focus on keeping long-standing customers satisfied more than focusing on drawing in new customers is oft a more effective business model for any business you intend to keep more than a few years


cjadewyton -

Hey so it was pointed out to me that this post is being passed around like I made it about waterfall and Thell but it wasn't related to that at all and I'm just back quickly to clarify things.

I was doing homework for my business class when I posted this & it was literally just my train of thought at the time. It *was* what made me remember the discussion in the discord and got me to go back to read everything I missed, which is why it was posted shortly before my other post, but this was made 100% separate from the discussion and is not about my opinion on Thell, who imo is trying decently to balance new vs old user satisfaction, even if I disagree with his direction.

That said a large reason for me leaving now IS related to old user satisfaction; I have been unhappy with waterfall's unclear direction for a while. Almost no features I joined the site for (including the reasons I supported the kickstarter) are to remain in the rewrite, & I have no idea what direction the site wants to go in because there are constant changes of mind & I feel like a lot of new promises keep being made before old ones are fulfilled (or in the case of some, being abandoned), & even though the intentions are clearly coming from a place of good I've seen too many people over-promise before in my life to trust things are going to go as planned.

I was intending to stay because of the community & friends that I really genuinely care about here, but it doesn't seem fully worth it after seeing how things are addressed, because not clearly & concisely addressing the harm that was done to the artist (& other artists who felt like they might be singled out in future) does not give me assurance that this website will remain a comfortable place as it grows bigger.

The last thing I saw in the discord before leaving it was genuine confusion on what was going on with the website- And aggression & lack of patience in response. That is not the community I want to be in and I will not contribute to it anymore.

I genuinely care about you all. Even the people I disagree with or who I think behave poorly sometimes. So please. Just breathe a little. Think about what sort of community you want to foster & if being here is still healthy for you. Make the decision that is best for yourself and your health, even it that is moving on.


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eznii -

fanart for undas FANTASTIC ongoing fic, alternate universe :D


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beenary -

the topic of the anti-theft algorithm was the original topic and that was the topic i tried to stay with myself when i did finally manage to backread everything and say something- because not much progress happened with it there, it seemed.

but either way it is unacceptable that someone got singled out so quickly, off handedly, without consent, and then was given no apology from the person who did it.


I really just want to say, now that I’ve had a sleep and my head’s in place.

The thing that stuck out most to me in the conversation last night was that someone’s actual real art was used by someone else as an example of what was “less deserving” of protection, without the artist’s consent. I saw no apology for the wording of the post and I think it was really inappropriate to use someone’s actual work as an example.

Every time this got brought up people acted like it was others being upset by the **vague concept** of some art is better than others; but it wasn’t a concept of it, someone was non-consentually **singled out** as an example of “worse” artist out of two and when they expressed their discomfort and upset they were ignored/glossed over and it was not shown to be addressed.

It’s VERY important to me that the wording of the post wasn’t “the algorithm will have a worse time with this one” and that it was “this one is *less deserving of protection*”. And it was very frustrating that the insulting wording went ignored by people in the server and that I saw no correction or apology about the use of a real user’s work.

Users should **not** be allowed to single out other users and their art, especially not publicly in front of the entire server and I think it’s *absolutely reasonable* that some people want to leave after seeing a user singled out as a “bad example” be left unaddressed. It was an uncomfortable thing to witness it go ignored when, on other art sites like deviantart, singling out another artist’s work as a bad example is often considered a form of harassment by staff.

A lot of heat from yesterday, at least after I came in, was sparked by the insulting comment and it progressed when people ignored the fact the comment had been insulting.

A LOT of people were trying to say “I’m upset that this users art was used as an example of art that the poster considered bad” but people then replied with talk about the algorithm not being able to pick it up, when the algorithm was **not** the issue with the comment; the direct and real insult to the quality of another user’s work was the issue.

If the comment had been “this sort of art is hard for the algorithm to pick up” I would have no issue. But the original comment was actively implying that an artist’s drawing was worse than another artist’s. It is one thing to talk about some art pieces being good or bad, it is *another thing entirely* to single out a user as an example.

THAT is what a lot of people are upset about and it is making me EXTREMELY uncomfortable that it is has not been addressed, especially now that statements are being made about other things. Where is the acknowledgement of the harm that was done to this artist? Not even just acknowledgement by Thell, but acknowledgement by the overall community? I care about all of you. And I care about the artist who was singled out. And I’m very upset that this is what the community decided was okay to do to someone.

I have supported the site with money before. I was a kickstarter backer, an on-off patron, and I have put actual real effort into advertising the website and had multiple people join on my recommendation, even before things such as the invite system were implemented. And now I feel genuinely **embarrassed** and upset that I put my name and money out there for a community that allowed the public calling out and insult of someone who **literally did nothing wrong** with no obvious statement against it or repercussions for the hurt that was caused.

I’m very upset that the community drowned out the fact that a real actual person, a member of the community, was so obviously hurt by their work being used in the server without their consent. It was far from appropriate and it's left an extremely bad taste in my mouth.

I do not want to be part of a community that thinks it is appropriate to treat its members this way.


Every business class I've been to has talked about how focus on keeping long-standing customers satisfied more than focusing on drawing in new customers is oft a more effective business model for any business you intend to keep more than a few years


I hate chance because even if there's a 90% chance of success, every time you go into it, it's 50/50 that this time will be the time that fails & that fucks up my head

theres a 50/50 chance that this particular time you are doing something is in the 10% of failures


[ID Start: a drawing of a child wearing a black dress with a striped blue pattern and long black socks. Their accesories are a fishnet arm sleeve on one side, overlapped with a striped arm warmer, and a spiky bracelet on the other arm. They are wearing a dog head mask that cover their head with eye holes cut out. The background has little yellow particles surrounding them. end ID]

i drew mulitple doghead children... I just love the dogheads!

Im actually sewing my own doghead mask at the moment its almost done!


I made a new design for knitters on my redbubble in two styles!

Redbubble


Oh yeah on the topic of moving furniture I uhhhhhh built a fence with my family & a few things came of it

1) we didn't have a measuring tape so we used one of our chickens instead & it worked perfectly

2) I couldn't stand up for like 2 days & I'm STILL in pain from it

3) The goats can no longer steal chicken eggs and I am VERY happy about this

4) I learnt if an animal gives the *smallest* cry of distress I gain the ability to jump over half my height over a fence, when 99% of the time I can't lift my legs enough to get up the step into my own house


Because I can only stand up for 5-10 mins at a time I'm now taking a break from moving furniture... here are some cute animal photos for everyone who needs to see something cute today


novodemons -

oh boy i am struggling to find active ppl

the system is just find ppl on my dash and see who they reblog from right??

is there smth u guys tag the interact with if active posts as?

OH WAIT THE DISCORDS

IM STILL ON THE WATERFALL DISCORDS

time to find ppl >:)


novodemons -

oh no i saw a post saying the discords rnt vibing anymore

now what do i do :(


cjadewyton reblogged quiptart

sky reflection


winter grazing, 25.12.20

☀️ photography | support


daylight waning, 25.12.20

☀️ photography | support


rolling frost, 25.12.20

☀️ photography | support


blush, 18.06.20

☀️ photography | support


cjadewyton reblogged eznii

eznii -

davekat week day four: free day :)

i am fucking OBSESSED with hades rn


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naiad -

Denver Zoo
6/14/2019

redbubble | carrd


Gifts for sum friends (and 4 my wife) ^w^


A ref sheet! I don't have much to say apart from winter break is almost over and I do not want to go back to attending zooms every day plz send help :(

oh yeah, this is Bakerswap Temmie, she evil.


cjadewyton reblogged mier

mier -

gift for a friend


cjadewyton reblogged ghostmoor

i was supposed to have a work games night tonight but only three of us showed up so we bounced after an hour and i spent my evening making my 2020 art summary instead! one of the few good things 2020 gave me was more leniency to work on art and i’m really pleased with all the stuff i made this year, especially managing to put out Seraphim Drive. excited for 2021 and all the stuff i want to make next year


cjadewyton reblogged ghostmoor

Ryker-Still-?̸̴̶̛̕?҉͢?̷̷̧ family, Nickowicz family residence, 24th December 20XX


She's got it!

I am on Sailor Venus spree in case you couldn't tell...

A certain animation is coming and you can probably guess what it is


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